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Fandom experiences.... by JesIdres Fandom experiences.... by JesIdres
Why don't I draw Harry Potter anymore? Well, it's Terry Pratchett's fault, really. Sure, they're both fantasy, but Fantasy is just another view of reality, really.... and after enjoying a good balance of drama and humor and reality in the first books, you can stand whining for so long. And when an ENTIRE BOOK whines, and an author kill people not because it moves the plot, or because it fits the characters actions, but to drum up headlines, you start wondering if the author is writing to tell a story or make a buck.

I'll admit that meeting Terry Pratchett may have biased me slightly- he's an international best seller and millions of fans, but involving fans in the process and explaining why everything happens in a book, even if the fans don't like it, makes the books easy to pick up and enjoy. And every time he promotes a book, I have the feeling he doesn't mind if you don't like a specific character. It's his story, he doesn't need to defend it, but he'll humor you anyways. And his children's books don't talk down to them, they treat them like the little adults they are, who just need some maturity. As an education Masters degree holder, I love this- most modern teaching theories work using the same qualities found in a Pratchett book.

I know there are people who are Pratchett and Rowling fans, and some people don't like either. These are my opinions, not fact.

I need to practice Tiffany more.
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Nobody316 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2015
Damn right. He really did write as long as he could. He delivered until the end, that is why the Discworld will be here long after Hogwarts has crumbled.
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2015  Professional General Artist
I dunno.  It's not so much a competition; and given some of the dreck that's been published recently, I'd rather have hogwarts and discworld any day over bad fanfic and abusive relationships.  Discworld is a better series over all, in my mind, but one cannot have a genre on one series alone.  Better books that empower and create than books that derive and push stereotypes.
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Nobody316 Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2015
Even though I never read Twilight or 50 Shades since my hard earned money is not there to support writers like that, I get your point. Well, I guess you are right. HP is not the worst thing in the history of everything, I just doubt that the stuff holds up like the discworld. Admittedly, it might be more of a personal dislike since my contact with HP fans has been limited to a hand full of those who represent the rather lame part that every fandom finds at the bottom of the barrel. Also, I rather dislike the merchandise machine that the Hogwarts Hippies have in common with Star Wars and Twilight. That and I don't like Harry. He strikes me as a punchworthy person.
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Spotty18 Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2015
This is so true! R.I.P Terry Pratchett v.v
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2015  Professional General Artist
Such a sweet man.
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Pensive-Penumbra Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2013  Student Writer
I couldn't agree more.  Thanks for this!
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Kate-Kyrillion Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2013
I love this - and it's completely hilarious that I can't see a single comment disagreeing with your point here :)

Like some other commenters, I first read HP when I was past the ideal demographic - I was about 13, and by that time I already had a very thorough grounding in childrens' literature, particularly fantasy. In particular, I;d already fallen in love with the work of Terry Pratchett, Tamora Pierce, Ursula Le Guin, Joan Aiken, and many more writers who Rowling either emulates or is simply not as good as. So while I was still able to enjoy the HP books for the cosy adventures they were, the accompanying rabid fandom wound me up.

To my mind Terry Pratchett is one of the most notable writers of the late 20th century. He has a wisdom and insight to work with - not to mention hilarity and knack for moving drama - that Rowling is just no where near. If PTerry isn't someone's cup of tea and Rowling is their thing, fine by me. But when Rowling is a footnote in literary history, I think people will still be being changed and moved by Discworld.

(I particularly like the panel about Rowling's 'darkness', by the way - call me petty but it hits the nail on the head!)
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013  Professional General Artist
Thank you!
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harrylee94 Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So true! Whenever I write stories, I ALWAYS end up adding humour, even if it's the darkest thing ever!
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Professional General Artist
It's coping mechanism :)
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harrylee94 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very true
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ALynnL Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I haven't been in the HP "fandom" per se. I read the first book and thought it was all right, but then I wasn't really into reading back when I was younger. I wouldn't start becoming a true "reader" until I was a young adult, around 18 - 20.

I have to admire Terry's attitude toward his work though. There can be darkness and humor in a story (and maybe both are needed!)

I have to say that "I'll keep reading Discworld, because I won't want to fall into the angst-trap that is the latter parts of the HP series."

As for the deviation itself, well, I like comics like these. They're better than tl;dr journal rants that people probably just backtrack out of. They give a visual representation of what your stance is, and why it's there. I like that.
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Professional General Artist
I am bad with the word type things. Better with silly pictures.

I will say my stance has soften towards JK Rowling over the years, but I still prefer PTerry without fail.
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chaos-in-compounded Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012
AMEN
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional General Artist
:)
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mangagirl1603 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love Harry Potter (apart from the last book) but I'm on Pratchett's side :D
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
Both have their plusses. When I drew this, people were trying to say Rowling reinvented british fantasy.
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mangagirl1603 Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Her books are massively famous but reinvented British fantasy? Nope, that's a Pratchett description
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Druce-White-Owl Featured By Owner May 24, 2012  Professional Writer
Thank god I'm not the only one who feels this way! I liked the Potter series right up until Book 5. Unfortunately by then I'd begun studying writing and English for a writing career of my own, and I began seeing the very things you complain of here. Shoddy characterization, over-reliance on angst as motivation, and a pathetic tendency to kill of characters for no apparent reason. It drove me up the wall. I didn't discover the DiscWorld books until after all the HP books had come out, after reading my very first one I thought "WHY HAS NO ONE TOLD ME ABOUT THESE SOONER!?"
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Woschaebedip Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2012
True true... Awesome.
Ps: Is it "Angst" like the German "Angst"? Is it used in English?
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2012  Professional General Artist
More like 'emotional sadness'.
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Woschaebedip Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2012
Interesting, I didn't know that... :)
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SpindleWinter Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Rowling didn't invent Vimes or Vetinari. I rest my case.

Although she did come up with Snape, who was pretty cool until they turned him mushy; I mean, why can't an 'evil' guy do good things? I bet Vetinari hasn't got a soppy lovebound backstory- he does it because that's who he is. You don't have to be NICE to be GOOD. Doe Patronuses? Come on, you're having a giggle... Also, killing off half your characters offscreen is never a good idea. If PTerry had made Remus, I'm willing to bet he would have given him the werewolf smackdown ending everyone wanted...

And he least he KNOWS his stupid names are stupid. Albus Severus Potter. For that, JK, I will never forgive you.
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got-fanfiction Featured By Owner May 31, 2011
tiffany looks very dorothy-eske. but still very cute. and this mde me laugh. i like both fandoms, but after the final hp book i was so depressed. D: i didn't see any need in killing off most of the main characters in what was supposed to be a book for younger people. SO MUCH ANGST. DX
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JesIdres Featured By Owner May 31, 2011  Professional General Artist
Indeed. *sniffle*
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PiGirl13 Featured By Owner May 24, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow, your description of Terry Pratchett and his writing really drove home the point of how brilliant he really is. I know it's probably really annoying to have someone comment on the description instead of the deviation, but I just had to say it.
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JesIdres Featured By Owner May 31, 2011  Professional General Artist
Thank you!
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Nobody316 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2011
So true, so awesome.
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wildechilde003 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2011
NIce : )
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2011  Professional General Artist
Thank you!
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LunaMacato Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2010
Yeahhhhh tiffany! Unfortunately I've only read the Tiffany books - could someone explain the Discworld books a bit? I know that it's set in the same land, but... is there some kind of order i should be reading them in? thanks?
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2010  Professional General Artist
Discworld books explore the larger world that Tiffany lives in- throughout its history, many taking place in the largest city of the Disc, Ankh-Morpork. Same humor, same wit, just a bit more adult concepts.
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LunaMacato Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2010
thanks
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MrKaosX Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2010
Did read HP books.. and well frankly it was a good series but did have very annoying moments that made me wish to strangle HP. "i am breaking up with you for your own good."... didn't make sense at all.
Terry. he is so more my style. dark and twisted humor. hehe.
Guards! Guards! is a good place to start when i wanted to know Vimes better. he kicks ass because he is... more human and knows his own limits. He might be a bastard but he is a fair bastard. xD

So i agree with you. TP is so much better. :)
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2010  Professional General Artist
Thank you!
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DJChocolate-Lover Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2010  Student General Artist
mm I don't really compare the two but the last HP book ruined it for me. The ending is all I can remember and it pisses me off, like a bad fanfiction writer hijacked it and chucked a happy sappy ending in their and some mary-sue kids as well.

And omg another Disc World fan!!! I love your art.
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2010  Professional General Artist
Thank you!
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DJChocolate-Lover Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2010  Student General Artist
No problem!
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LabyrinthineMind Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
I'm a Pratchett fan and a Potter fan, but in that order. Part of the reason I find this hilarious is because it's soooooo true. Win!
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2010  Professional General Artist
Thanks!
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LabyrinthineMind Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
You're welcome! And thank you for making me giggle!
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TardisTravel Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2010
His childrens books are a delight. :) I wish the Tiffany books had come out when I was about ten. They're fabulous. "A Hat Full of Sky" is possibly my fave book in all existence, tying with Diana Wynne Jones' "Archer's Goon."
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2010  Professional General Artist
Indeed. :)
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gruffen Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
Lulz. It's quite true. I found Pratchett once the Potter series had ended, and it put a lot of stuff in perspective. Like how little Harry Potter actually made me laugh. And how wonderful it is that you can take fantasy to so many extremes. Like, I don't really want to hear about an angsty teenager who lives in Surrey and is the key to saving us all, when I can cherish the sheer but profound absurdity of a book that can take a view or a part of the human experience and completely change our perception of it, while leaving us choking for breath as we fold up with laughter. Pratchett has the ability to make you feel about characters and situations in such a way that there's still room for hilarity, whereas Rowling is a good writer but her characters lack depth and humour. Discworld was a breath of fresh air that I can't stop inhaling even now. He truly has to be the greatest fantasy writer that has ever been.
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Spiegel666 Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2009
I was going to go on a long rant about the many and varied ways in which Pterry is better than JK, but:
a) I read several of same while scrolling down the page, and
b) I was just reminded that my favourite author since age 4 has Alzheimers, and have to go be emotional in a corner for a bit.
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2009  Professional General Artist
:( *hug*
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angeloftheodd08 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2009
Same thing happened to me....After I started reading Discworld I realized how much she "borrowed" from Pratchett...
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Wolfchildrusk Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
My word, this is all to true.
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JesIdres Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2009  Professional General Artist
Sadly, yes :p
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SirLeadhead Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2009
ok, potter vs. death, guess who wins?
maby thats a bit one sided...

Wait! potter vs. archancallor ridcully!

(ridcully wins by shooting potter with a hunting crossbow while hes saying a 6-sylable word for a spell)

pterry is awesome
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